T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number II April 2009 +--------------------------+------------------------------------------+ | .----------------------. | dr.debug: dr.debug@filegate.net | | | A monthly E-Zine | | bbslists: bbslists@filegate.net | | | published by Fidonet | | articles: fidogazette@filegate.net | | to promote BBSing | +------------------------------------------+ | | ____________. | | | | / __ | "Anyone who has never made a mistake | | | / / \ | has never tried anything new." | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | | | \_______\(_| /_) | Albert Einstein | | \@/ \ | | | .---.\ _ | | | _ |usb| \ \\ | | | / | .___. \ ))| Editor: Janis Kracht | | / | /_ | / \// | | | |___| // || _\ / | janis @ filegate . net | | .--`-. (_|(_|(____/ | janis kracht 1:261/38 | | |____| (jm) | | +--------------------------+------------------------------------------+ ======================================================================= ==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=Contents=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ======================================================================= Editorial ....................Editor's rants/raves (2) News: New Members (Z1) .............A list of new members! (3) Returning Members (Z1)................Old friends come back(3) The Old School Toolbox.....................................(4) Backup Fidonet Routing Connections, a Possible Plan. ......(6) Is It Time? ...............................................(7) Linux Tips ................................................(8) Food...Even SysOps have to Eat!............................(9) FidoGazette BBS List......................................(10) Dr.Debug Answers Your Questions...........................(11 BBS Gamecorner............................................(11) Info: ..........Where to send your articles...............(12) Solutions.................................................(14) (Page 1) ========================================================================  T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number II April 2009 --------- Editorial --------- One of the great aspects of Fidonet has always been the response from people when you ask for help. I don't think I've ever seen quite the response elsewhere. People are just plain happy to help. And so this month, Richard Webb comes onboard with tech columns and the like. I'm looking forward to them a great deal. I'll probably do a few myself since I've been running a variety of mailers and bbs programs over the years.. I started with Binkley-Term and a single modem in 1989, then moved on to FrontDoor and two line bbs with two USR Courier HST modems. By the time the FileGate started in 1994, I was running two V.Everything 14.4 modems, and I remember Ron, my husband, laughing at the fact that I could identify the connection speeds of callers by sounds the modems were making (I think, really, who couldn't back then ). From OS/2 and "Back to Binkley" I then went to Linux and BBBS/LiI Flag (and no, my husband did not set up linux for me, nor did he even run linux until I had been running it for at least 5 years heh.. sorry, this last is in response to some er.. idiots I've run into in my life ). It's how we were back then.. we knew the technical details of our craft. The ins and outs of our hobby.. the ports, the irq's and why you could or couldn't put modems on ports 1 and 3 under DOS, and more. Some of us have not quite "lost" all of that know-how under our internet connections,but we don't use it very often, that is for sure since now we most likely use protocols such as BinkP, and virtual modems to collect our mail packets.. we use internet protocols such as telnet to log into bbs systems very often, and yet there is still interest in using modems as we saw last month, as in "the old days" (see last months' article, "DataTerminal"). We'll try to speak to both methods and practices and provide tips for both as well in the upcoming issues of FidoGazette. If you have questions you'd like us to answer, we're going to start a Q&A column, called Dr.Debug. Send your questions to Dr.Debug @ filegate.net and you'll get a reply right here in the next edition plus a personal answer in email if you'd like (or not, up to you ). Not only is there a renewed interest of our "ancient history" regarding modems and the like, but as internet service providers become more resistant to the idea of hobbiests running servers, we may actually find ourselves going BACK to telephone lines, calling plans and modems. See Richard's article in this issue regarding an emergency backup plan in case of internet failure... and this idea may also be of interest in the case of another sysop I heard from this week, as his ISP informed him that he was violating the NEWLY changed term of service by running servers of any type! Hence my article, "Is it Time?" (Page 2) =======================================================================  T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number II April 2009 New Members ------------------------------- By Janis Kracht New SysOps -- Welcome to FidoNet! R18: John Merritt ================================= Returning SysOps -- Welcome back!! (Soon!) Robert LaPrise ================================ In the works! R18: Chandler Scotland Bailey R12: Dimitrios Papadopoulos NA: Chadwick E. Labno (Page 3) =======================================================================  T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number II April 2009 The Old School Toolbox By RIchard Webb, 1:116/901 Occasionally in this space I'll take a look at some bit of software or techniques that have been around since the days of fidonet when pots was the only way, and our systems were buzzing with activity. Some of us still use these tools. Some use nothing but plain old telephone modems and older tools on our systems. Others have done the hybrid approach, quite a bit of new stuff along with some older tools. Some newer folks might not even be aware of some of these old tools and techniques, however, and if you resemble that remark, then this column is for you. So, before we delve into one of these tools from the days when the bbs was a major player in the online world let me remind those of you out there who use tools from this era that I do not that your contributions to this endeavor are also welcome. I'm certain our editor would welcome them. Some may not fit with my system, and hence I cannot accurately or adequately describe them or tell the newcomers about them. Bots! This topic covers enough ground that I'll give the relative newcomer a brief overview of some fidonet automation and the tools we use to accomplish it in two installments. These days when we think of "bots" we're likely to think of zombied computers working at the behest of spammers and other nogoodniks on the internet, but bots have been around since the earliest days of telecommunication via computer. After all, they're just simple automation. Fidonet has thrived on bots since its very early days. Soon after Jeff Rush developed echomail an enterprising sysop developed autoecho, a forerunner of today's areafix and raid. THIs and of course the file request we've all come to know and appreciate were the first forms of automation over and above Tom JEnnings and his automated mail transfers in the middle of the night. Just about every sysop in fidonet is familiar with areafix, I hope. But, for the uninitiated it goes like this. AReafix is a way for a system operator to request linkage to echomail conferences he/she wishes to carry on the system. THe sysop sends a message to areafix at his/her uplink's address with a password on the subject line. IN the body of the message the area tags desired are placed, one per line. If she wishes to sever a link with a conference the relevant area tag is preceded by a dash. Autoecho evolved rather quickly into the standard areafix we all appreciate today. Fastecho and some other echomail processors bundled areafix functionality. THose of us who are squish users had to look to third parties for this. Back in the middle 1990's when I ran a busy system I used one, but its functionality was quite limited and I still had to intervene manually if a downlink desired an area not currently carried on my system. THe software I use now for this came along after I'd left fidonet. WHile i was setting it up I asked myself hundreds of times why this guy didn't release it sooner so I could have its features when I really needed them . Along with areafix is its sister program for linking and unlinking of file echoes known as raid. Allfix and other popular file echo processors come with built-in raid functionality. Bots that respond to mail from users and other sysops can do more than just link and unlink echo and file areas. Some rather powerful tools have been developed over the last quarter of a century which enable just about any sysop to add some powerful email and netmail response tools to his arsenal. Those entries in your nodelist which fly the ping flag are no doubt using some sort of netmail autoresponse feature to provide the functionality required which is detailed in the comments at the end of your weekly nodelist. Try a few of them out, see what you get back. BY looking at those usually hidden control lines you'll find some software packages in use for such purposes. (Page 4) =======================================================================  T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number II April 2009 The Old School Tool Box, Con't... As a user of binkleyterm squish and Maximus I naturally gave netmgr by Gerard van Essen a try and liked it. LIke his reader/editor TimEd, and squish and binkleyterm it was configured using regular ascii files. I have a real aversion to menu driven configuration of software. I use synthesized speech to read the screen as I'm a blind man, and it seems that I never can get the screen reader to give me the right amount of feedback. EIther it's too verbose, or too terse. I spend time tweaking the screen reader to track the menus, then I've got to exit the darn menu driven configuration program to refer to the docs, etc. Easier for me to just open the configuration file in an ascii editor, with the docs open in the editor in another window. Toggle back and forth between them, and happily edit away until I'm ready to give it a test drive. There are other netmail trackers and managers out there since, and many offer similar features. NEtmgr not your cup of tea to configure? Just ask around. Sysops who use other tools for this purpose can point you to them and tell you more about them. Back in my busy hubbing days I used netmgr to readdress mail from my point address, showing any netmail I sent as being from my main address, and not from my point. I was told that it might be unreliable, but I pointed netmgr at my comments to the sysop area and had it move all new messages placed there to an echo area which was available to me from my point address as well as to my co-sysop from his point. Other than that netmgr did a few simple things for me at the time, such as bounce messages back to my downlinks if the destination address couldn't be found in the nodelist, etc. YEs I registered it back in the day. How I use it today: Netmgr still addresses mail from my point or certain others to show that the mail came from 1:116/901.0 instead of a point address, if that mail is bound for a uucp type gateway. I use netmgr to help me and other ham radio operators who work with cruisers on the high seas. Our radio network operates a service called shiptrak. A skipper at sea can either use his satellite or radio internet connection to enter his current position, course, speed and some weather data, or we enter it for him. the U.s. National oceanic and atmospheric administration, (commonly known as the national weather service) uses the data they provide to forecast more accurately for vessels at sea. The cruisers also can provide a url to family and friends back on solid ground that can be used to assure the landlubbers of their safety. Those of us who work with the net like to have a good overview of who's where out there, both commercial vessels and these cruisers. OFten if somebody's in trouble and needing assistance if there's a vessel close by we can speed that assistance to them without having to send out the big guns, such as the U.s. coast guard. IF the coast guard responds we taxpayers get to pay a bill which is close to $200,000 for that one rescue, and those cg units aren't available to somebody else in trouble. In fact, just the other day while working with the coast guard to assist a man and his wife crossing from AFrica i caused a supertanker to divert to their location to drop them a 55 gallon drum of #2 diesel. They'd been dismasted in a storm and now had no propulsion except for the engines, and only about 6 hours fuel aboard. My little email bot can get the radio ops this information before they begom a tour of duty on the radio, allowing the radio op to have the data printed off right in front of him/her instead of requiring the great web hunt. THe radio op desiring the information address infoserv at my fidonet address via my favorite gateway, and places "boat list" in the subject line minus the quote symbols. WHEn my system next processes mail from my uplink his request is seen, processed and a response sent on its way. But, before I can provide them this convenience I have to acquire the data. Here's how that works. When our users enter data from a vessel on our web site it generates emails which go to a couple different places. ONe of those places is my system. Once the message is tossed into my message bases netmgr picks it up, Netmgr invokes a batch file while shelling out. THis batch file processes the file it generated from the contents of the message. The header and all extraneous lines are removed, carriage returns and linefeeds replaced with spaces, and the ionformation posted to three different files. ONe file is all such postings since SUnday at 1200 UTC. Another is the last two days file, purged twice daily. THe third is a master file which can be searched by users via email. A user can then request via email or netmail my current (last 48 hours) file, or search my database for a vessel's radio call sign or a word in its name. If a user requests the "boat list' he gets the previous 48 hours activity file. Also, interested folks can utilize netmail or email to request current alerts for missing or overdue vessels that I have on file. I'm hoping to add some general interest for fidonet folks to my infoserv functions as well, and have just about completed testing on the first one. THough of limited interest as most fidonet sysops have a nodelist available, I've implemented a nodelist lookup query function. Want to test it? Just send a message to nodefinder at this fidonet address via routed netmail. IN the subject line place the fidonet address you'd like looked up. THe nodelist will be searched and (hopefully if all is working as it should) the information will return to you via routed netmail. IN fact, you'll get two messages. THe first tells you that your query was received and will be processed soon. THE second should contain your desired information. I use netmgr's bounce function to return the data on cruisers using our shiptrak system during the previous 48 hours to requesters. The missing/overdue/attempt to locate returns are done thanks to a batch file invoked by netmgr when such queries are received. I do the alerts from a batch file instead of a bounce, because if there are no active alerts at the time the request was received the poor requester would get nothing back. So, the batch file creates the response if it finds no file telling the requester that there are no alerts at this time, and what time his/her request was processed. Next time in this space we'll discuss those nice little bots that allow sysops and echo moderators to automatically post those rules files as messages and do other neat tricks. =#= (Page 5) =======================================================================  T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number II April 2009 Backup fidonet Routing Connections, a Possible Plan. By Richard Webb, 1:116/901 Last October a major mail mover, and the editor of this fledgling publication experienced an internet outage that could have been protracted to the better part of a week had things not have fallen into place. She and I hatched a quick backup plan which would keep her connected to at least one of the other major mail movers with one intervening step. This caused me to do some thinking about the issue. As some of you know I'm very much involved in emergency communications via amateur radio, etc. because of this, I'm always thinking about battery power backups for radio gear, and of course computers. Many of us already have UPS backup for our machines. But, what provisions are we making to back up critical links in the distribution of echomail and routed netmail? Stuff happens, and an outage affecting a large isp could conceivably isolate a net or region. Meanwhile we have fidonet systems out here using pots effectively. We also have some major mail movers which are not pots capable at the present time. In the case of the outage Janis experienced last fall we quickly got her connected with everything on the z1 backbone that I carry, and additional echoes I don't requested via my uplink. My uplink connects directly with Eastern STar, which would have reestablished that linkage for her. I proposed shortly after this in z1_sysop that folks who are still pots capable do a bit of organizing among themselves to be able to step into the void to keep echomail and routed netmail moving to fill in gaps in coverage when they occur. I've received some positive feedback from a couple of pots capable systems. HOwever, we all seem to connect the same places, and nobody who has responded has connections with the western part of z1. There are also some rc's and other midlevel mail movers who show pots capability in their nodelists At first blush this is going to entail some expense om somebody's part to implement such a backup. However, there are some of us with those flat rate calling plans, etc. that can be deployed to keep the mail moving. I would propose that we not promise to keep file echoes distributing large files moving, they can usually hold all traffic until regular internet links are restored. But, there is no reason that some of us who have such advantageous plans couldn't put our systems to work as the carriers between systems that would need temporary connections but would be placed at a severe disadvantage by being forced to place the calls. Devising such a backup plan would not require a whole lot of effort once things were in motion. Some mechanisms would be in place to assist those who had need to utilize it, as well as keep data and information current. An administrator would keep data on systems willing to route mail for others who have pots connections, as well as those who would be willing to undertake the job of actually transporting the mail. Those willing to act as carriers (those of us with the advantageous calling plans) would establish session and packet passwords with hubs and others we could realistically be expected to serve. For example, I probably wouldn't be willing to serve moving mail outside the continental U.S> as the cost would soon become prohibitive. I paid almost $4 for a one minute call to Toronto by the time I paid all the taxes that accrued thanks to that 60 seconds on the telephone. I could, however easily interface with rc14. I have regular connections with z1c; rc19, and one hop away from rc18. Such backup plans would need to take into account where the impacted system derived its feed, and which systems the impacted node feeds. THis would take a bit of planning to iron out, but such planning could be made available if an administrator kept track of systems in a cooperative of those willing to step into the void to help. FOr the sake of calling it something in this article let's call it the fidonet classic cooperative. Two echomail conferences would be established. One which would be a regularly available backbone echo would be for systems wishing to ask questions or help others establish a modem feed. Under normal circumstances all an administrator would need to do is maintain some records of capabilities of systems whose sysops expressed a willingness to be part of such a cooperative effort. Occasionally the administrator might want to query such systems to see if their status had changed. The cooperative could also be useful in assisting those systems which wish to connect with fidonet but may not have internet means such as binkd or transex to move mail. Such backup links would of course provide administrative file echoes to any downlinks served on a temporary or permanent basis as a minimum level of service. I'd be interested in hearing from anybody with an interest in this topic. I can of course be reached at my fidonet address, and routing is quite reliable. I can also be reached at elspider@bellsouth.net. IF using bellsouth please send plaintext only. Two echomail conferences would be created. =#= (Page 6) =======================================================================  T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number II April 2009 Is It Time? By Janis Kracht, 1:261/38 All this discussion of modems and dataterminals, back-up plans etc. may seem unnecesary to you. Your internet provider may allow you unrestricted use of servers on any port you choose.. or if they never check the various ports used by their clientele.. but alas it is not so for many of us. For those who can't run "servers", but would like to continue pulling in mail, perhaps pulling modems out of storage is an answer? Over here in Windsor NY, we are charged a commericial rate by our phone company, TDS Telecom, and are forced to purchase a business phone line and pay business phone line rates for normal phone calls to get DSL service (and it stinks at that!!). Many people have heard me bemoan the fact of the slow speeds we get here for a line that is supposed to be a 3-Meg line. But that is the only choice we have.. pay a $239.00 fee (and that is reduced from the original $400.00 they charged us for the first 3 years) for this business line/DSL and oh boy... we get 5 whole IP addresses, and we can run servers...so they can't scream at us if Ron tests out his software by running web pages, ftp servers or if I run BinkP servers, web servers, etc. for filegate.net. The Cable company in the area essentially told us to get lost about 3 years ago when they realized how much traffic was going through the filegate and the message echos. They didn't like it one bit.. I was paying them _$500.00_ a month for the privilege of wasting their bandwidth, and even _then_ it wasn't enough to keep them happy.. they still told us (rather abrubtly I might add) that they were not going to deal with "commercial customers any longer" and all ports were being "closed down"...i.e... no servers. This cable company obviously liked my $500.00 a month long enough to afford better advertising on local Television .. we noticed that a few months into our contract with them .. hmm.... So here we are with TDS. We could rent space on a large server somewhere.. but hey, we're talking about a hobby, right? This is fidonet! You know.. A bbs system somewhere in the house, probably in the backroom, or in the bedroom or in the basement .. or that's how it USED to be, at least :) Then I get an email from one of my friends in Kentucky.. _His_ ISP just contacted him and said he is in violation of his service agreement.. he is not allowed to run servers any longer (oh yes, they can change that agreement at any time and they have). Did I have any suggestions? (sigh) Run Binkley in Client mode of course.. first plan.. That is not a server. If your bbs has a web daemon, don't put it up.. man, is THAT sad. If it were me, and I'd paid good money for software like I have for BBBS which comes with a web server and I couldn't use it, I'd be more than upset. Alternate ports are a possiblilty but one can't take that kind of risk since ISPs no doubt will be checking all ports if they are going to be that ridiculous about service agreements. Outside of the above, a good calling plan is all I can suggest at this point or at least get a phone line and modem and let someone else deliver your mail and files to you. It's an added expense of about $30-$40 per month minimum just for the phone line, but at least you'd get mail and files in. I've got a calling plan here, and I can call anyone who's got a phone line and decent modem connected.. I don't mind delivering mail to your system since I already pay for the plan. My plan lets me call LD unrestricted so it doesn't matter where you live in the US. Just netmail me at 1:261/38, or email me at janis @ filegate.net if you need a feed.. no problem hooking you in if you are in the lower 48 of the U.S.A. At this point I don't have a plan that covers the rest of Zone 1 outside the continental US, but if necessary I'm sure we can work things out with our friends up north or I can always investigate other calling plans if the need is there. So.. beware. We're hoping your ISP doesn't get stingy with ports and such.. but if it hits, know your options! and don't throw those modems away, that's for sure. =#= (Page 7) =======================================================================  T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number II April 2009 Linux Tips: by Janis Kracht, 1:261/38 Check the Spelling of a Word in the shell or under XWindows Type the LOOK command with the word you want to check: bbs@filegate $ look stuff stuff stuffed stuffender stuffer stuffgownsman stuffily stuffiness stuffing stuffy It helps to have a large "linuxwords" dictionary. You can download a much bigger dictionary from here: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/souptonuts/linuxwords.1.tar.gz?download Note: vim users can setup the .vimrc file with the following. Now when you type CTL-X CTL-T in insert mode, you'll get a thesaurus lookup. set dictionary+=/usr/share/dict/words set thesaurus+=/usr/share/dict/words Or, you can call aspell with the F6 command after putting the following in your .vimrc file :nmap :w:!aspell -e -c %:e Now, hit F6 when you're in vim, and you'll get a spell checker. There is also an XWindows dictionary that runs with the following command... $ gnome-dictionary ...which results in a pop-up window. It prompts you for the word you'd like to check, as below: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Grief_ Grief \Grief\ (gr[=e]f), n. [OE. grief, gref, OF. grief, gref, F. grief, L. gravis heavy; akin to Gr. bary`s, Skr. guru, Goth. ka['u]rus. Cf. {Barometer}, {Grave}, a., {Grieve}, {Gooroo.}] 1. Pain of mind on account of something in the past; mental suffering arising from any cause, as misfortune, loss of friends, misconduct of one's self or others, etc.; sorrow; [1913 Webster] ------------------------------------------------------------------- =#= (Page 8) =========================================================================  T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number II April 2009 -=-=-=-=-=- F O O D Even sysops have to eat! -=-=-=-=-=- A review of the Fisher-Paykel two-Drawer Dishwasher The first thing you notice about this dishwasher is how quiet it is.. extremely quiet!.. Forget about hearing the dishwasher drowning out TV after dinner, or whatever.. no more with this one.. I purchased this dishwasher at one of our quality appliance stores in Binghamton NY. Generally, you expect they will have quality merchandise at this shop. I was impressed by the two-drawer system, by the way every piece of the thing comes out like a child's snap-together toy.. easy to repair, easy to clean.. looked like there was plenty of room in each "drawer" for a full load of dishes, etc. Well there is.. sort of. Because the drawers don't have a top sprayer and water comes from the bottom only, dinnerware, pots and cups and glasses must be placed in it correctly perhaps more so that with a normal dishwasher. They won't come clean otherwise. If you stack things properly, i.e., give things plenty of space, and use the highest wash cycle things will come out spotless everytime. You think you don't have quite as much room with this dishwasher sometimes, and then you remember, oh, there's another drawer.. It surprises you sometimes. Cups and glasses are a problem though if you large glasses (for example 16oz. size). They are too tall for the Glass rack and must go on the bottom rack even if they are plastic. Smaller cups seem to fit well on the cup rack. The biggest problem though is how the racks fit on the unit side walls. The dishwasher has 8 thin-ish flat plates in sets of two on each side, 4 to each drawer for glassware. These are attached to the walls of the dishwasher with plastic tabs which allow them to swivel flat when not in use. Handy for fitting pots in the unit for cleaning when necessary.. awkward when the tab breaks as it did the third time or so that I used the machine.. so now the top rack's cup rack on the right side is held level to the second cup rack with a plastic baggie's twist-tie .. which is necessary because if it is not level, the cups won't stay ON the rack, they will fall off the rack, there is nothing to hold them on it.. Replacing the rack won't do any good, because it's not the rack that is broken, it's the piece of plastic that is built into the wall of the dishwasher :( Other Good points : The silverware DOES come out very clean no matter how much you overfill the silerware tray.. well one must these things, afterall :) Additionally, the unit uses so little dishwasher soap it's incredible.. about two tablespoons.. that is just weird :) All in all I give this dishwasher 3 1/2 stars out of 5 because I've owned 5 star dishwashers that were _much_ better than this one and they cost _much_ less than this one. However this one is somewhat nice. It is very quiet.. it does work very well if the dishes are scraped really well _and_ it is loaded properly. You must treat it gently because it is made of cheap plastic - those tabs on the cup racks are pathetic - You can't fit large items in it - no large glasses, such as 16 oz. or larger, or large cookie racks or overly large pans, etc.- and I would not trust any antique china in it or crystal items in it either. I did foolishly try some antique coffee cups in it _once_. Never again.. one time off the rack.. ouch :( But it's quiet! and it's extremely energy effecient compared to any other dishwasher I've every had.. and uses so little water, it's amazing. So I guess we're pretty happy all in all :) (Page 9) =#= =======================================================================  T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number II April 2009 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= !!! G A Z E T T E B B S L I S T !!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......< So I will fill these issues with my meanderings and thoughts and hopefully we will grow into something of consequence here :) Don't be offended.. write an article! If you WOULD like to submit an article and prove me wrong about the dullard aspect of you guys and gals , feel free to drop your article off at: By email attach to address: janis@filegate.net Fidonet attach: Janis Kracht 1:261/38 Modem: 607-655-5652 1:261/100 filegate.net via telnet mailer filegate.net via binkp mailer (don't send articles as routed attaches, send them direct to filegate.net). Give it a title, sign your name and network address if you have one and send it along! Don't worry about the format, I can take anything you send me and mutilate it further as you can see above. Linux is nice that way . Spell checking your own work will help though (something I'm typically guilty of ). More specifics with this issue :) To send a question to Dr. Debug, email a question to dr.debug@filegate.net or post in the fidogazette echo! :) To send a listing to the fidogazette internet bbs list, send your bbs listing to bbslist@filegate.net or post it in the fidogazette echo! :) (Page 13) =======================================================================  T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number II April 2009 BBS Crossword Solution 1 2 10DIMA B RADIUS 4ARC N S5 6 M K R R ZIP P A D I A A ECHOLIST F 13FRONTDOOR R L S E I T 15 F I S OPUS O Q H 17 BSO V E S I BRIEF 19 BINKLEY A 21 L W LANIUS E R I A L (Page 14) =========================================================================