T h e   F i d o G a z e t t e!   Volume IV   Number II    February 2010
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    T h e   F i d o G a z e t t e!   Volume IV   Number II    February 2010
    Notes from the Z1C.........................................(1)
    New and Returning Members..................................(2)
    FidoGazette BBS List.......................................(3)
    The Old School Toolbox.....................................(5)
    A Slightly Crusty Sysop....................................(6)
    Info (Where to Send Articles)..............................(7)
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    T h e   F i d o G a z e t t e!   Volume IV   Number II    February 2010

    Happy Valentines Day!  We're holding out for Spring here though it
    seems more distant than ever.  Great weather for cuddling though
    on Valentine's Weekend, and that makes this cold weather bearable.  We
    hope everyone has a happy holiday!
    Notes from the Z1C:
    Zone 1 Policy notes.
    The subject of Crash Netmail during Zone Mail Hour to any/every system
    came up recently in a private forum.  The following text is my reply
    to the one of the participants in that echo.  Just to clear the air:
	====================cut here========================
    >>> The minimal requirement for a nodelisting is that you [...]
    >>> accept connections during ZMH.

    Yes, from his host system.  That is a Zone 1 policy for a number of
    reasons.  [system X] can accept netmail from his NC who he connects to
    for netmail I'm sure several times a day if not 24/7.  Others can also
    connect with [system X], but their netmail probably won't end up in
    his 'inbound'..  That's his choice, as it's his system.
    >>> Unless I'm mistaken you shouldn't be refusing connections from
    >>> unknown nodes during that time.
    In Zone 1, we've _always_ maintained more of a desire for routed
    netmail than direct connections.  People may not allow you to deliver
    to their inbound, but they will accept your mail in their insecure
    directory and check that directory "later".
    Remember way back when an USRobotics modem couldn't connect directly
    with a Zyxel modem...  What did people do?  They routed netmail. 
    Remember that in Zone 2 there were ISDN systems that couldn't connect
    with anyone else but other European ISDN systems..  What did people
    do?  They routed netmail...  later that changed when ISDN Dual modems
    came out (ISDN/V.Everything).

    Even today, Ward's system and mine cannot connect directly via modem
    and we are not sure why..  though I think it's more modem "stuff" (g). 
    So we route netmail
    Now we have internet nodes with no dialup - and some who have both
    modems and internet who act as 'bridges' routing netmail.  But
    realistically, from that _FIRST_ ISDN modem or that first zyxel modem,
    the network gave up connectivity across all of FidoNet.  So in Zone 1
    we are just realistic about this fact.  It's not documented anywhere -
    but when people ask me, that is exactly what I tell them: Because
    there is NO single applicable method of directly connecting with each
    node in fidonet...
    And because the only node he HAS to be able to connect with according
    to policy is his NC to pick up his netmail.
    No where in policy does it say that a node must connect to any other
    node with CRASH mail ..  it says "netmail".  And Policy cleary says,
    "all nodes in a zone are required to be able to accept netmail", you
    may fill in the blank, from his NC.  And that is how people in Z1 have
    always treated netmail delivery.
    Take care, 

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    T h e   F i d o G a z e t t e!   Volume IV   Number II    February 2010
    New section here... [SysOp Updates].  While this won't replace your
    nodelist (and hopefully you keep your nodelist up to date (g)) this
    spot will be reserved for notes I receive from members who's hostname
    is changing, or phone number is changing, etc.
    New and Returning Members!

    In the Works:
    Chuck Gilbert                       Danville, VA  R13

    Returning SysOps:    
    Robert Olsen                        Springfield, NJ     R13
    Christopher Coccimiglio             Ontario, Canada     R12
    Greg Youngblood                     Lady Lake, Florida  R18
    David Truesdale                     Hueytown, AL        R18

    Welcome back!
    SysOp Updates:
    Greg Gagner, 1:322/762, is now at hostname tacbbs.synchro.net 
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    T h e   F i d o G a z e t t e!   Volume IV   Number II    February 2010
	!!!        G A Z E T T E   B B S   L I S T        !!!
	By bbslist @ filegate.net    
	Send updates, changes to address above or to janis @ filegate.net.
	System.......Prism BBS
	Software.....BBBS LiI v4.01 Flag #
	OS...........Linux (Gentoo)
	C/B Verify...None
	Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, 
	             and file areas.            
	             telnet access offers full features 
	             of the standard bbs such as doors,
	             qwkmail, BWmail,Files, etc.       
	             [web interface is limited really 
	             to reading messages and replying 
	             online, or downloading messages  
          	     in qwk packets, but not uploading
	             them], and file download access. 
	FTP:	     ftp.filegate.net, port 60721
    		     public access to file areas (please 
       		     note change of port for public access).
	System.......Time Warp of the Future BBS
	Software.....sbbs 3.15a (very beta)
	OS...........win. (xp pro. sp3)
	C/B Verify...None
	Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, and file areas.
	Telnet.......time.synchro.net:24 or time.darktech.org:24
	             or timewarpfuture.dyndns.org:24
	             telnet access offers full features 
	             of the standard bbs such as doors,
	             messages or file area etc.
	             Web interface is limited really to reading messages 
        	     and replying online, or downloading messages in qwk 
           	     packets, but not uploading them, and file download access. 
           	     SBBS files available.

	System.......Lionsden BBS
	OS...........Windows XP
	C/B Verify...None
	Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, and file areas.
	             telnet access offers full features
     		     of the standard bbs such as doors, 
     		     qwkmail, Files, etc.
	             You will redirected to a menu where you can 
	             choose one of three sites.  The first one is 
	             private and requires PW to get into.
	FTP..........FTP://lionsden.darktech.org Files only


	System.......Christian Fellowship
	Software.....PCBoard 15.3
	OS...........Windows XP pro
	C/B Verify...Manually via email or voice 
	             usually within 24 hours.
	Access.......Read only until verified. Once 
	             verified write access to Msg bases, file 
	             areas, chat and doors/games.
	Telnet.......cfbbs.dtdns.net or cfbbs.no-ip.com


	System.......Lightning BBS
	Software.....Virtual Advanced
	OS...........Windows XP
	C/B Verify...None
	Access.......First call access to doors, files and
  	             message reading.  Message posting requires 
	             Thanks to VADV-PHP you can access almost 
	             everything the BBS has to offer from the
	             web, with the exception of door games.


	System.......Roach Guts BBS 
	Software.....Maximus on Port 23 (primary)
	             Synchronet on Port 24 (temporary)
	OS...........Windows XP
	C/B Verify...None
	Access.......First call access to doors, files and
       		     message reading.  Message posting requires

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    T h e   F i d o G a z e t t e!   Volume IV   Number II    February 2010
    F  O  O  D      Even sysops have to eat!
    By Janis Kracht, 1:261/38
    Want to contribute something here?  Send your submission to fidogazette
    'at' filegate.net or email janis at filegate.net, or janis kracht at
    1:261/38 (binkp: filegate.net) and it will get published here in the
    next issue :)
    The Tomato Dilemma
    Canned Tomatoes vs. Bottled
    Bionaturae's glass bottled Strained Tomatoes are the next     best
    thing to sliced bread - at least in our house...  that and their
    Tomato Paste have replaced metal-canned tomatoes here.  Why?  While
    some may think I'm an alarmist, bisphenol-A (BPA) which lines cans of
    mass-marketed canned tomatoes has been linked to obesity, and in
    infants it is suspected of causing possible brain developmental
    problems.  It can't be good for you..  used primarily to make plastics
    this substance was formerly used as a fungicide.  I decided I don't
    need it in my life.  YMMV...
    Produced, grown and bottled in Italy (Tuscany) these tomatoes are the
    closest to fresh tomatoes I've tasted in a long long time.. Normally I
    grow my own tomatoes in the summer months and can them in bottled
    jars... but last year we suffered a terrible tomato blight throughout
    the east coast.. and it may reappear this coming summer.  If I keep
    purchasing these tomatoes, I may have a free bed in my garden :)
    Bionaturae farms in Tuscany also produce organic pasta with old
    fashioned bronze dies (the forms to make different shapes), olive oil
    and Balsamic Vinegar.  I haven't tried one of their products that I
    didn't like.  If you can't find their products in your local grocery
    stores or health-food stores, here is a link to their site:
    Whole Grain Pasta Dough
    1 1/2 cups semolina flour 
    1 1/2 cups freshly ground whole wheat flour 
    1/2 tsp salt 
    4 eggs 
    1/4 cup cold water
    1/4 cup olive oil
	Combine semolina and whole wheat flour and salt.  Beat eggs lightly
	then mix with water and oil.  Stir in to four mixture until a stiff
	dough forms.  You may need to add a little more flour.  Knead 10
	minutes or until elastic.  Cover in plastic wrap.  Let rest, covered
	for 20 minutes Roll out thinly, cut into desired shape or shape with
	machine.  Cook in boiling, salted water for 2-5 minutes.
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    T h e   F i d o G a z e t t e!   Volume IV   Number II    February 2010
	The Old School Toolbox
   	By Richard Webb, 1:116/901

           Is your favorite echo an Orphan?  Part IV.

	This  is  the  fourth and final installment in our series of articles
    on moderator tools and techniques.  IF you just joined us and have an
    interest in this topic acquire the appropriate issues of the
    Fidogazette.  IN those issues in this space we discussed how to
    determine if an echo of possible interest to you is essentially
    abandoned.  If it is and the conversation has devolved to off topic
    posts and antisocial behavior appears to be the norm you can start a
    FIdonet echomail conference that will be truly watched over and cared
    for.  This also applies if there's a topic of interest to you that
    isn't currently covered by another echomail conference.  We've talked
    about tools and techniques that moderators need to get their echomail
    conference carried on the North American BAckbone, and once carried to
    manage the conference effectively.  In this final installment we're
    going to look at the tool you'd rather not have to pull out of the
    toolbox.  This tool is akin to the sledgehammer or maul, or maybe the
    pry bar.  such tools can easily sow additional destruction beyond that
    intended, so they must be used with care.  This tool, like pry bars
    and sledgehammers is sometimes the only tool that will get the job
    done however.  We're talking about the dreaded feed cut.

    As we noted last time, there may come a time when contacting the
    operator of the system hosting our undesirable poster isn't going to
    achieve any results of a positive nature.  THen it's time to have a
    look at the normally hidden control information in the twit's message,
    and contact the system operator of the twit's host's uplink.  This is
    where it's handy if you're a fidonet system or point operator.If you
    don't fit either category ask your sysop if he can allow you to see
    this information using your preferred method of handling echomail. 
    Otherwise, you're going to need his/her cooperation, or a co-moderator
    who is a sysop or point op.

                     Tracing the connection

	Many  long  time  echo  moderators  can tell this story. The names and
    other circumstances will be different, but the basic story line is the
    same.  IT's an old fidonet story, but sadly not one of those urban
    legends.  If you've been around FIdonet a few years you've probably
    heard or witnessed it a few times as well.  IT goes like this:

	To tell our version of the tale we're going to resort  to  a bit of
    fiction.  We have an echomail conference on the topic of bird
    watching, equipment used, techniques employed, even some discussion by
    folks who don't just like to watch, but like to capture the sounds of
    the birds they're watching.  OUr echo moderator, and other regulars
    are rabid non hunters when it comes to killing and eating avian
    creatures however.  Trophy hunting or food, doesn't matter to them. 
    THey feel there might be other echomail conferences for the quail and
    duck hunters, etc.  So, after a time along comes a poster who just
    loves to post messages regarding duck hunting and pheasant hunting,
    etc.  HE can discuss at length the merits of different weapons,
    varieties of shotguns, etc.  At first he's discussing how to conceal
    oneself to make the watching or hunting easier.  Nobody has a problem
    with that, but then he drifts further afield into what type of
    shotguns work best for which avian creatures, techniques of loading
    one's own shells, etc.

    The moderator has asked this fellow to take his bird hunting
    discussions elsewhere.  By this point, a couple of nature loving
    individuals have also chimed in blasting our bird hunter as a
    bloodthirsty neanderthal so-and-so and the conversation has devolved
    in the usual manner.  OUr off topic poster has meanwhile blasted the
    regulars as tree hugging liberals, expounded on his second amendment
    rights, yada yada.  SUddenly a friendly echo has deteriorated into a
    political battleground.  THe echo moderator gets things calmed down
    for awhile, and then one day here comes our bird hunter again with an
    article on wild turkey hunting.
	Our  echo  moderator  has documented his discussion with the offending
    poster on the topic.  HE sent netmail directly to the poster, received
    no response.  SO he decides to look up our off topic poster's host
    system in his nodelist and ask the sysop to curtail the offender's
    access to the birdwatching conference.  But alas, there's no help
    coming from that quarter.  OUr violator of the birdwatching echo's
    rules is none other than the system operator.

	Our birdwatching echo moderator now is faced with a  choice.  He can
    declare the matter dead, and watch as the flame fest escalates this
    time.  HIs other choice is to move up the chain to the system feeding
    our offending poster's system.  To do this he'll need to consult
    seen-by and path lines on the echomail message(s) from the poster. 
    Just one should do it.

	DOc's  place  is  a  very  popular  bbs.  HEre's the path an echomail
    message from Doc's place would take to reach my system via my primary
    FIdonet feed, which is 1:3634/12.

    SEEN-BY: 123/1025 128/1 132/500 140/1 226/160 600 229/426 250/100
    SEEN-BY: 311/1 320/119 322/759 387/22 3634/12

	Note  the "SEEN-BY" lines above. THese are essentially there for the
    software.  THe line you're interested in will appear after them.  HEre
    is the line I'd look at if in an echomail conference I moderate I was
    concerned with a user of Doc's.

	PATH: 123/140 500 3634/12

	You'll  note  that  Doc's  is  1:123/140.  Eastern  STar  is
    1:123/500.  Eastern star feeds my uplink, in this case 1:3634/12.  So,
    if I want to find out which system feeds DOc's place a given echomail
    conference, I'd look at the second entry in the path line.

	Also you'll note that these path  and  seen-by  lines  don't indicate
    zones.  Except for certain zone gates most folks don't feed out of
    zone, or at least that's the theory anyway.  Path and seen-by lines
    were never designed to be four dimensional indicators.  That though,
    is a subject of another article.  If the moderator of an echomail
    confernce finds he has a problem with a poster in another zone then
    he'll need to work with the operator of the gateway through which the
    messages travel from the offender to the rest of fidonet.

	Remember  earlier  I  used  the  analogy  of  the pry bar or
    sledgehammer when referring to the feed cut.  HEre's an example which
    will illustrate the sledgehammer analogy for you.

	The next path line we'll look at is an echomail message from Bob
    ACkley in EMerson Iowa.  You'll note quite a few systems listed in the
    seen-by lines.  But again, it would be the path line which would be of
    interest to the echo moderator who might have a concern with a user of
    Bob's system.

	SEEN-BY: 10/3 11/229 14/5 18/25 109/568 116/739 901 120/544 123/22 50
	 52 65
	SEEN-BY: 123/140 456 500 650 789 1025 124/311 128/1 132/500 138/146 
	SEEN-BY: 140/1 2 14 153/7715 221/0 226/160 600 229/426 250/100 261/38
	SEEN-BY: 266/512 275/100 288/34 311/1 320/119 322/759 342/5 77 387/22 
	SEEN-BY: 800/214 3634/12 3828/7 3830/2 5020/1042
	PATH: 300/3 14/5 140/1 123/500 3634/12

	First,  my  apologies  if  these  didn't word wrap well dear editor. 
    I attempted to leave them intact, as they would appear on a bbs or in
    one's sysop mail reader.
			    [Ed. Note: lines do wrap above] 

    Note that bob's Boneyard is 1:300/3. 
    That's the first entry in the path line of course.  Note the second
    entry, 1:14/5.  That's the rc for region 14.  This guy moves a lot of
    mail.  So, although this would never happen let's do a bit of
    fictionalizing.  A user of Bob's system is a problem, and Bob's not
    inclined to cut his access.  So we go up the chain to Jeff who
    operates 1:14/5.  For whatever reason Jeff is really disinclined to
    cut Bob's link to your echo.  In fact you get a response that tells
    you to take your tin god hat somewhere else.  So you go up the chain.

	You've asked Jeff to cut Bob's feed, and Jeff stands on  his
    principles and says no, you have no power of enforcement he recognizes
    as valid.  YEs we had this argument back in the halcyon days of
    FIdonet folks.  SO you go to the next step, which is 1:140/1.  This is
    one of the major echomail hubs.  YOu ask Bob SEaborn the operator of
    1:140/1 to cut Jeff at 1:14/5 as Jeff won't cut his link with Bob's
    Boneyard.  But, by cutting Jeff's link, which Bob does for you, you've
    created a problem for a few other users of your echomail conference. 
    THere are users on Jeff's system who enjoy participating in your echo,
    and others whom Jeff feeds who now have to find another connection to
    bring your echomail conference to them.

	Some folks just aren't going to jump through  the  hoops  of setting
    up an alternate feed just to pull in your echomail conference.  AFter
    all, their uplink carries the rest of the backbone.  If your echomail
    conference isn't available through him then it's just not available. 
    Suddenly a regular poster in your conference who really contributes
    positively is now cut off.

	So, although these tools are available to an echo moderator, they can
    often do as much harm as good if wielded too readily.  Sometimes, the
    best approach is to do nothing except encourage your regulars to
    ignore the twit in hopes that he/she will go elsewhere.  But, if used
    judiciously, they can save your conference from becoming one of those
    dreaded orphan echomail conferences.

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	The Slightly Crusty Sysop
	By Sean Dennis, 1:18/200
	After taking the past few months off of the column (unintentionally),
	I'm back.  I bet some of you were wishing I wasn't, eh?
	Here it is, 2010, and the ol' Dog is still kickin'.  Nice to see some
	things that don't change over time...whether we want them to or not. 
	I've been busy here working on my BBS, switching over to ProBoard, and
	finally building a board that works how I want it to after all of
	these years.  Thanks to one of my users and her "wizard", I was able
	to get a Y2K-patched version of the ProBoard-specific Blue Wave
	offline mail door running and that's what got this whole crazy idea
	Something else that's been on my mind is routed netmail.  I've had
	routed netmail on my system pretty much since the BBS was a nascent
	idea in my head back in 1996.  There's been some talk of
	"discouraging" (although I take it as "removing") routed netmail
	because of problems in other zones besides Z1 with it.  Now I've not
	had problems in 15 years with routed netmail and it all seems to work
	fine for me.  I've got two netmail paths, both through my mail hub and
	my regional coordinator, and both work splendidly.
	I don't think that the network, as a whole, should remove routed
	netmail as an option for its users.  Why?  For one thing, routed
	netmail can be, well, routed, correctly /if the systems involved know
	how to route mail right/ and that requires competency with their
	software and knowledge of Fidonet's network topology.  There are a lot
	of systems that are still difficult to get hold of even in this age of
	Internet connectivity and allowing a node to get netmail at their
	convience from their host/hub, instead of trying to ramrod a
	"crashmailed" netmail through directly, would seem to be a preferred
	method instead of causing problems, but it seems I may be a minority
	in that point of view on this issue.
	Here in Z1, we've used routed netmail successfully for years and we've
	not had too many problems, if at all.  However, it seems that others
	in different zones, due to the way their telephone systems are set up,
	disagree.  Why one wouldn't want to take the easy path of just having
	mail wait for someone to pick it up at their pleasure instead of
	trying to force mail down their throat is beyond me, but hey, whatever
	works for you, I guess.
	Sadly, with petty arguements like this, Fidonet is going down the
	drain.  I am not too happy with that as I still continue to be an
	advocate for Fidonet, but sometimes, after a while, it gets old trying
	to fight an uphill battle when I'm proven wrong time and time again
	with my optimistic views.  I can say that in other FTN-style networks,
	I have never encountered the problems with mail and other silly little
	problems that I have in Fidonet because, well, we all tend to check
	our egos at the door and cooperate to have the network(s) run as
	smoothly as possible.
	I don't know if I could ever say that for Fidonet, but one never
	It is Valentine's Day tomorrow, so there will be chocolate and roses
	every- where but my household.  My wife, Maura, and I went out to
	dinner last night to beat the crowds and instead of flowers and
	chocolate, I bought her a book (impulsively, as that's how I tend to
	shop) about Louis Comfort Tiffany and all of his creations.  It was a
	nice little celebration and at the end of the month, we will be
	celebrating our sixth wedding anniversary.  We were married on
	February 29, 2004 and it's been amazing how fast time flies...it's
	been ten years since we've been together total.
	I hope you have someone to spoil a little on Valentine's Day and have
	an enjoyable day.
	As always, your comments on my column are welcomed, but flames are
	not.  I prefer netmail at 1:18/200 but you can email me at
	sean@nsbbs.info (please put "Crusty" somewhere in the subject).  If I
	like what you have to say, I'll publish your thoughts in my next

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    Where to Send Your Articles

    Unlike most editors, I surely do not  mind running my mouth when
    there is a sparcity of articles for the 'zine.  I'd MUCH rather
    you sent in material but I think until someone starts a
    discussion you feel like commenting about, you evil dullards
    (just kidding!!!) will no doubt complain about "no issues" (grin)
    So I will fill these issues with my meanderings and thoughts and
    hopefully we will grow into something of consequence here :)
    Don't be offended.. write an article!

    If you WOULD like to submit an article and prove me wrong about
    the dullard aspect of you guys and gals (bg), feel free to drop
    your article off at:

    By email attach to address: janis @ filegate.net Fidonet attach: 
    Janis Kracht at 1:261/38 
    Modem: 607-655-5652 
    1:261/100 filegate.net port 24555
    via binkp or telnet mailer 
    (don't send articles as routed attaches, send them direct to filegate.net).
    Standard binkp port only supports BinkP (24554).

    Give it a title, sign your name and network address if you have
    one and send it along!

    Don't worry about the format, I can take anything you send me
    and mutilate it further as you can see above.  Linux is nice
    that way (g).  Spell checking your own work will help though
    (something I'm typically guilty of (g)).
     To send reviews or recipes to the Food section, email or netmail Janis
     as above.

     To send a question to Dr. Debug, email a question to
     dr.debug @ filegate.net or post in the fidogazette echo! :)

     To send a listing to the fidogazette internet bbs list, send your
     bbs listing to bbslist @ filegate.net or post it in the fidogazette
     echo!  :)
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