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    T h e   F i d o G a z e t t e!   Volume III number VIII  October  2009
    New Members/In the Works/Returning Members.................(2)
    FTSC Election..............................................(2)
    FTSC Election Time Frame...................................(2)
    FidoGazette BBS List.......................................(3)
    Dr.Debug Answers Your Questions............................(4)
    The Old School Toolbox: ...................................(6)
    Info (Where to Send Articles)..............................(7)
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    T h e   F i d o G a z e t t e!   Volume III number VIII  October  2009
	I was contacted this month by a student at Oxford University in
	England.  He's writing his dissertation for his doctorate degree on
	the early days of Fidonet.  I'm only aware of one chapter of his
	dissertation at this point, but that alone is very interesting,
	since it examines the growth of Fidonet in the early years of
	1984-1990 throughout Zone 1.
    I was very happy to help by sending all the information I could about
    those early days.  I myself joined Fidonet in 1989, at my son's
    insistence.  Griff, the doctoral candidate, was very interested in
    this as one aspect of his study is how people 'heard' about Fidonet,
    how they joined, etc., was it by word of mouth, newspapers, magazines,
    or what?  After they joined he wondered, why did they stay?  Why did
    some leave? All questions a socialogist would ask (g).  Hopefully his
    study will provide some interesting answers.
    I found it interesting that Griff hadn't initially considered the
    number of returning SysOps we see coming back to Fidonet, or the new
    ones who'd joined us recently, and so I expect Griff will expand or
    add some chapters to include this information.  
    At this point, he is working with a small amount of echomail traffic
    one person sent him from one month's backup in 1993.  That's great,
    and Griff is very thankful for that!  But Griff is looking for
    archives of echomail from the period of 1984-1995.  If you have any
    such dated archives of echomail, logs, stored backups, qwk packets,
    that you can get at (please don't contact me and tell me you have a
    ton that are inaccessable to you (vbg!)), let me know!  I think this
    project is worthwhile in that it documents our beginnings, something
    which people have tried to do in film (Jason Scott).  It's something
    the world ought to know about as well, I think :)  "The Network" 
    didn't start with "the INTERNET" for some people, and this doctoral 
    study will help to make people more aware of that.       
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    T h e   F i d o G a z e t t e!   Volume III number VIII  October  2009
    New & Returning Members
    By Janis KrachtM
    In the Works:
    Kelly Beam     R15, Peoria, Arizona USA                          
    Kevin Nunn     R19, McAllen, Texas  USA    
	FTSC Election

	FTSC standing membership election. Call for nominations

	An election for FTSC standing members starts on Sunday 27th of
	September 2009 at 20:00 UTC..

	As per FTA-1000.002 the number of FTSC members should be no less
	than 7 and no more than 30.  Of the present 16 members, 7 of them
	had their term expire on August 17th 2009.  That leaves room for a
	maximum of 30-(16-7)=21 new members to be elected.

	From FTS-1001.005

	  3.2 FTSC Standing Members

	  FTSC members are appointed for a two year renewable term.  [50 %
	  of appointments on initial formation of the FTSC shall be for a 3
	  year renewable term, to ensure continuity of the Committee on
	  expiry of the terms.]

	  To be selected as a FTSC member, an individual must be a Fidonet
	  node, and should be actively involved in Fidonet.  Examples
	  include having put out a Fidonet-related product or having updated
	  a product in the preceding two years, or having experience as a
	  Coordinator, Echomail Coordinator or mail or file Hub.

	  Standing members may be nominated Fidonet-wide by all of the
	  following methods:

	  1. Any RC or REC.
	  2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
	  3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

	  A nominating committee may not consist of any current member or
	  officer of the FTSC.

	  Standing members are appointed on the basis of a vote by all RCs
	  and RECs who are nodelisted as holding those positions at the time
	  the nominations are published.  A successful candidate must
	  receive approval by a majority of votes.

	  Publication of the nomination and the voting procedure, and
	  posting of RC and REC votes, shall take place openly in the
	  FTSC_PUBLIC echo, and voting shall close three weeks after
	  publication of the vote.
	  In accordance with FTA-1001 3.2.2 I hereby appoint a nominating
	  committee that, with the exceoption of the FTSC administrator,
	  consists of the FTSC members who's term ended on august 17 and who
	  have indicated to be available for another term.

	These are:
	Andrew Clarke          3:633/267
	Scott Little           3:712/848

	The status of RC's and REC's will be determined by nodelist.268 as
	issued by the ZC in the zone where they reside.

	All RCs, RECs and members of the nominating committee are hereby
	invited to nominate members.  Nominations may be posted in the
	FTSC_PUBLIC echo or in netmail/e-mail to the FTSC adminstrator. 
	(2:2/20, 2:280/5555 or administrator at ftsc dot org) Nominations
	received by netmail or e-mail will be posted in FTSC_PUBLIC.

	Nominations start at Sunday, September 27, 2009. 20:00 UTC and end
	at Sunday October 18th 2009, 20:00 UTC.

	Nominators are advised to sound out prospective nominees before
	filing a nomination.  There is little or no point in nominating
	someone that has not shown interest and expressed willingness to
	accept.  Members of the FTSC appointed nominating committee may self

	Michiel van der Vlist
	FTSC Administrator
                   FTSC standing member election, time frame
                   Submission of nominations:
                     Sunday, Sept 27 2009, 20:00 UTC - Sunday, Oct 18
                     2009, 20:00 UTC
                     Acceptance of nominations by candidates:
                     Right after nomination - Sunday, Oct 25, 20:00 UTC
                     Candidates MUST accept in FTSC_PUBLIC in order to
                     qualify, with the exception of self nominees.
                     Candidates MAY campaign in FTSC_PUBLIC right after
                     accepting their nomination.  Everyone may challenge
                     the candidates.
                     Submission of votes:
                      Sunday, Oct 25, 20:00 UTC - Sunday, Nov 8 2009,
                      20:00 UTC
                     Contesting of votes:
                       Sunday, Nov 8, 2009, 20:00 UTC -
                       Sunday, Nov 15 2009, 20:00 UTC
                     If no contest: installation of new members:
                        Monday Nov 16.
                      Michiel van der Vlist
                      FTSC Administrator
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    T h e   F i d o G a z e t t e!   Volume III number VIII  October  2009
	!!!        G A Z E T T E   B B S   L I S T        !!!
	By bbslist @ filegate.net    
	Send updates, changes to address above or to janis @
	System.......Prism BBS
	Software.....BBBS LiI v4.01 Flag #
	OS...........Linux (Gentoo)
	C/B Verify...None
	Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, 
	             and file areas.            
	             telnet access offers full features 
	             of the standard bbs such as doors,
	             qwkmail, BWmail,Files, etc.       
	             [web interface is limited really 
	             to reading messages and replying 
	             online, or downloading messages  
          	     in qwk packets, but not uploading
	             them], and file download access. 
	System.......Time Warp of the Future BBS
	Software.....sbbs 3.15a (very beta)
	OS...........win. (xp pro. sp3)
	C/B Verify...None
	Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, and file areas.
	Telnet.......time.synchro.net:24 or time.darktech.org:24
	             or timewarpfuture.dyndns.org:24
	             telnet access offers full features
        	     of the standard bbs such as doors,
	             messages or file area etc.
			     Web interface is limited really
	             to reading messages and replying online, or 
        	     downloading messages in qwk packets, but not 
	             uploading them, and file download access.  
    SBBS files available.
	System.......Lionsden BBS
	OS...........Windows XP
	C/B Verify...None
	Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, and file areas.
   			   	 telnet access offers full features
    		     of the standard bbs such as doors,
    		     qwkmail, Files, etc.
                 You will redirected to a menu where you can 
                 choose one of three sites.  The first one is 
                 private and requires PW to get into.
   FTP...........FTP://lionsden.darktech.org Files only


	System.......Christian Fellowship
	Software.....PCBoard 15.3
        OS...........Windows XP pro
	C/B Verify...Manually via email or voice 
	             usually within 24 hours.
    Access.......Read only
                 until verified. Once
                 verified write access
                 to Msg bases, file
                 areas, chat and
                 or cfbbs.no-ip.com

	System.......Lightning BBS
	Software.....Virtual Advanced
	OS...........Windows XP
	C/B Verify...None
	Access.......First call access to doors, files and
       			 message reading.  Message posting requires
        	     Thanks to VADV-PHP you can access almost
  			     everything the BBS has to offer from the
			     web, with the exception of door games.


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    T h e   F i d o G a z e t t e!   Volume III number VIII  October  2009
    Dr. DeBug Answers Your Questions!
    By dr.debug @ filegate.net
    Q. In linux, how can I see the contents of a gzip'd file like I can 
    in DOS with programs like Vern Buerg's LIST??  I really miss it!
    There's more than less: 
    You can use  the zless command - it has the same options as the
    less command, but works on gziped files to page through files
    without extracting the files.
    For files that are tar.gzip'ed, you can use this command line:
    tar --to-stdout -zxf bmail-1.3.tar.gz | less
    Rather than have to remember that string, you can assign it to an
    environment variable like so:
    export LESSOPEN="|tar --to-stdout -zxf %s"
    The above sets less to automatically display the contents of a
    gzip'd file on standard output.

    Lynx is more than a browser:
    You can also use the lynx program to look at files in a directory..
    this great program will let you zip, rename, move, edit, download, upload
    and more. 
    For example, to view the files in the /home/bbbs/files directory,
	    bbs@filegate.net$ cd /home/bbbs/files
    	bbs@filegate.net$ lynx . 

	     (lynx "period")         
    Use the arrow keys to move through the directory.  You can also
    look at the help (?) screens to see some of the keyboard options of
    lynx.  There are some of interest under DIRED (directory commands)
    shown here in Figure 1:

    DIRED:             c  - Create a new file
                       d  - Download selected file
                       e  - Edit selected file
                       f  - Show a full menu of options for current file
                       m  - Modify the name or location of selected file
                       r  - Remove selected file
                       t  - Tag highlighted file
                       u  - Upload a file into the current directory

    =Figure 1=================================================    		                       

    	bbbs@filegate.net$  lynx .   

		Current directory is /home/bbbs/october2009
        drwxr-x---  317 bbs      bbs    126976 Oct  4 16:55 ../
        -rw-r-----    1 bbs      bbs      1030 Sep 21 09:58 [contents.txt]
        -rw-r-----    1 bbs      bbs      2778 Sep 18 16:39  recipe.txt
		-rw-r-----    1 bbs      bbs     41119 Sep 21 09:55  fgazv3n4.nws
		-rw-r-----    1 bbs      bbs     45011 Sep 21 09:55  fgazv3n5.nws
	    -rw-r-----    1 bbs      bbs     45624 Sep 21 09:55  fgazv3n6.nws
	    -rw-r-----    1 bbs      bbs     38146 Sep 21 09:55  fgazv3n7.nws
    Commands: Use arrow keys to move, '?' for help,'q' to quit, '\<-' to go back
    Arrow keys: Up and Down to move. Right to follow a link; Left to go back.
    C)reate  D)ownload  E)dit  F)ull menu  M)odify  R)emove  T)ag U)pload
	=Figure 2================================================

 	In Figure 2 above, the directory contents are shown in Lynx.  The
 	file contents.txt is selected by using the arrow keys to highlight
 	the file.  When you press f, the file options are displayed for that
 	file, see Figure 3 below:

  		Current directory: /home/bbbs/october2009
   	    Current selection: /home/bbbs/october2009/contents.txt
	    Change directory
    	New File (in current directory)
    	New Directory (in current directory)
    	Modify File Name (of current selection)
    	Modify File Permissions (of current selection)
    	Change Location (of selected file)
    	Remove File (current selection)
    	UUDecode (current selection)
    	Compress (using Unix compress)
    	Compress (using gzip)
	   [Compress (using zip)]
    Commands: Use arrow keys to move, '?' for help,'q' to quit,'\<-' to go back.
    Arrow keys: Up and Down to move.  Right to follow a link; Left to go back.
	H)elp O)ptions P)rint G)o M)ain screen Q)uit /=search 
	[delete]=history list
    =Figure 3=====================================================
    If you move the highlight with the arrow keys, you can select the
    type of compression you would like to use (zip is selected above).
    When you press enter in the DIRED menu, the file is automatically
    zipped (or whatever type compression you've selected, and saved in
    the current directory.
    -rw-r--r-- 1 bbs bbs  498 2009-10-04 17:10 contents.txt.zip
    Now you can rename it if you'd like to.

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    T h e   F i d o G a z e t t e!   Volume III number VIII  October  2009

    F  O  O  D      Even sysops have to eat!
    By Janis Kracht, 1:261/38
	Want to contribute something here?  Send your submission to fidogazette
	'at' filegate.net or email janis at filegate.net, and it will get
	published here in the next issue :)
    Dan Ceppa sent this one in, Thanks again Dan!
    Dan says, "Had a really good one in Montana.  I'm not sure if this
    will duplicate, but, who knows?"

    Sour Cream & Raisin Pie with Meringue

    Source: Cooking at a Glance - Pies & Pastries

    Active Time:  30 Minutes
	Total Time:  6 Hours 10 Minutes
	Yield:  Makes 8 servings
	Create a decorative meringue topping by piping strips of the meringue through a
	pastry bag fitted with a 1/2-inch star tip.
	For Pie:
	1 cup raisins
	3 egg yolks
	1 1/2 cups dairy sour cream
	1 cup sugar
	1/2 cup milk
	3 tablespoons all-purpose flour
	1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
	1/4 teaspoon ground nutmeg
	1/4 teaspoon ground cloves
	Pastry for Single-Crust Pie
	1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
	For Meringue:
	3 egg whites
	1/2 teaspoon vanilla
	1/4 teaspoon cream of tartar
	6 tablespoons sugar
	Other necessary recipes:
	Basic Pie Pastry

	Sour Cream & Raisin Pie with Meringue Recipe at Cooking.com
	FOR PIE: In a small saucepan add enough water to raisins 	to
	cover.  Bring to boiling.  Remove from heat.  Cover and let stand 5
	minutes.  Drain raisins; set aside.  In a medium mixing bowl use a
	rotary beater or wire whisk to lightly beat egg yolks just till
	mixed.  Stir in sour cream, sugar, milk, flour, 1 teaspoon cinnamon,
	the nutmeg, cloves, and raisins.  Set aside.  Prepare pastry as
	directed, except stir in 1 teaspoon cinnamon with the flour and
	salt.  Roll out and line a 9-inch pie plate with pastry.  Trim and
	crimp edge of pastry, or attach cutouts.  Pour raisin mixture into
	pastry shell.  To prevent overbrowning, cover edge of pie with foil. 
	Bake in a preheated 375X oven for 20 minutes.  Remove foil and bake
	20-25 minutes more, or till center appears nearly set when shaken. 
	Remove pie and reduce oven temperature to 350X.

	FOR MERINGUE: In a mixing bowl combine egg whites, vanilla, and
	cream of tartar.  Beat with an electric mixer on medium speed about
	1 minute, or till soft peaks form (tips curl).  Gradually add the
	sugar, 1 tablespoon at a time, beating on high speed about 4 minutes
	more, or till mixture forms stiff, glossy peaks (tips stand
	straight) and sugar completely dissolves.  Immediately spread
	meringue over hot pie filling, carefully spreading to edge of pastry
	to seal and prevent shrinkage.  Bake in the 350X oven for 15
	minutes.  Cool on a rack for 1 hour.  Chill 3-6 hours before
	serving.  Store in the refrigerator.
	Recipe reprinted by permission of Weldon Owen. All rights reserved.
	Date Added: 01/01/2008

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    T h e   F i d o G a z e t t e!   Volume III number VIII  October  2009
   |The Old School Toolbox|
    By RIchard Webb, 1:116/901

    				  Is your favorite echo an orphan?

	I've  talked  a bit in this column about using automation to get more
	out of your fidonet system and to make some of your daily net life a
	bit easier. Now however we have a departure from purely technical
	topics in this column as all the automation and other technical
	capabilities aren't worth much if there's no human interaction going
	on. After all, we participate in fidonet to interact with other

	What  drew  you to fidonet when you first discovered it? For most of
	us it was the human interaction made manifest in echomail conferences
	on topics of interest.

	We've  all seen it before. You find an interesting appearing echo in
	the listing of backbone echoes or those available on your favorite
	bbs.  You turn on the echo with areafix if you're a system or point
	op, or you tag it for download in your qwk packets. Then along with
	your other echoes you get any messages posted to it. But, there never
	seem to be any. Nobody posts.  No moderator posts rules on an
	occasional basis, no conversation is taking place.

	So, you post a message relevant to the  topic  of  the  echo hoping
	to get a bit of conversation started, or because there's some
	information you'd really like to find on the topic. Maybe you get one
	or two responses, then conversation dries up again.

	Conferences that fit this description usually find their way
	eventually to the attention of the backbone administrators. If they're
	active conferences they're listed in one file. If inactive they're
	listed in another, and candidates for being dropped if after a few
	months there is no activity in the conference.  A good example of one
	of these conferences is the fidonet diabetes conference, still listed
	in the echolist, but no longer distributed on the fidonet backbone due
	to inactivity.

	How do you avoid your favorite echomail  conference  falling into
	distribution limbo?  Post a message relevant to the topic of the echo
	occasionally. IF you're the moderator of record, post a brief intro to
	the conference for newcomers periodically, maybe some simple rules and
	guidelines for participants as well.  Summarize an article you found
	in a publication relating to the topic, etc.  A little bit of coherent
	activity can keep your favorite echo alive, and in fact might even
	revive it.

	Since the focus of this  column  is  on  tools  let's  first discuss
	tools available to both moderators and users when it comes to managing
	their echomail lives. Echomail conference moderators should already be
	aware of these, but the bbs user or fairly new point or node operator
	might not be.  IF you're an old hand this column isn't going to tell
	you anything you didn't already know, but stay tuned for the second
	installment, it may be useful to you.

	Users  and  sysops  alike  can  benefit from using the tools described
	here. IF you're a bbs user and can't find them on your favorite
	fidonet board ask your sysop where and how to locate them. They're not
	hard to use, no arcane jargon and terminology is needed to understand
	what they tell you. Just download the appropriate files and go at it
	with your text viewer of choice.

	First there is the echolist, maintained by Tom Lacosta it is
	addressable automatically at a designated fidonet address or via
	internet email.  For users it can probably be found somewhere in your
	sysop's file areas as elis followed by a four digit number
	corresponding with the month and year of issuance. The September 2009
	echolist for example would be found as elis0909.zip and is distributed
	in a file echo called echolist. Some systems may combine the echolist
	file echo with other echomail related file areas, so if you can't find
	it ask your sysop.

	Within the echolist archive that you  download  you'll  find text
	files on how the echolist works and how to use it, as well as
	eltag.txt and elmod.txt which are listings of echomail area tags and
	moderators.  You'll also find a listing of which conferences have
	rules on file with the echolist and when those rules were last updated
	there. You'll also find another zip archive inside, which contains all
	the rules files that are on file with the echolist. IN fact, you'll
	find rules files inside for echomail conferences that haven't been
	distributed now for a few years \.

	Not all of the echomail conferences listed in  the  echolist are
	fidonet echoes. A good number of them pertain to another network
	called familynet. But, more important to you, the fidonet participant
	is the fact that not all of the echomail conferences listed in the
	echolist are distributed on the backbone here in North America.  Some
	might not be distributed by any of the backbones throughout the world,
	but are under private distribution.

	What  the  echolist  can  do  for  moderators  and  backbone
	administrators is assist them in determining the rightful moderator of
	an echomail conference and resolve questions of duplicate echo tags if
	there is such a question. This is why even those who distribute
	echomail conferences privately would wish to list them with the
	echolist.  Still, it's a good resource if you're looking for a
	possible echomail conference on a topic of interest to you.

	You've found a conference of interest but it doesn't  appear to  be
	carried on your local board. Before asking your sysop if he/she can
	get it for you there are a couple tools you need to use first to see
	if asking your sysop to bring it in for you is worthwhile.

	The next tools we're going to want  to  use  come  from  the backbone
	file area.  Again this may be combined with other file areas on your
	host's system, so if you don't find them, ask. There are three in
	number. The one you'll want to reach for first is backbone.na which
	lists all echomail conference currently carried and considered to be
	active on the North American Backbone. This is a simple ascii text
	file with the echotag on the left side followed by a brief

	If your target echo is found there then all is well. IF your host
	sysop doesn't carry it you can ask him/her to link to it for you.
	Then, ask your questions, and participate.

	Before  you  jump  in:  Check  this  rules listing described earlier
	as part of the echolist. IF there are rules posted you'll find them
	there. Otherwise, many uplink systems will automatically send the
	rules file to your host system when the link is established.
	Otherwise, remember that the usual rules of netiquette apply, keep
	messages to the topic of the conference, and conduct yourself as you
	would normally when engaged in public discourse.

	What if your echo isn't listed in  backbone.na?  We'll  talk about
	that, and other ways you can ascertain if you're interested in an
	orphan conference.  We'll also discuss conferences that aren't quite
	orphans, but more like latchkey kids. Nobody there to tend to them. 
	Although they appear in the proper databases and enough activity
	occurs to keep them distributed there is nobody paying any attention
	to them. IF your favorite echo falls into this category you want to do
	something before the problem becomes too large and the situation is no
	longer controllable.

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    T h e   F i d o G a z e t t e!   Volume III number VIII  October  2009

    Where to Send Your Articles

    Unlike most editors, I surely do not  mind running my mouth when
    there is a sparcity of articles for the 'zine.  I'd MUCH rather
    you sent in material but I think until someone starts a
    discussion you feel like commenting about, you evil dullards
    (just kidding!!!) will no doubt complain about "no issues" \
    So I will fill these issues with my meanderings and thoughts and
    hopefully we will grow into something of consequence here :)
    Don't be offended.. write an article!

    If you WOULD like to submit an article and prove me wrong about
    the dullard aspect of you guys and gals \, feel free to drop
    your article off at:

    By email attach to address: janis @ filegate.net
    Fidonet attach: Janis Kracht 1:261/38 Modem: 607-655-5652

                   1:261/100 filegate.net via telnet mailer
                   filegate.net via binkp mailer (don't send 
                   articles as routed attaches, send them
                   direct to filegate.net).

    Give it a title, sign your name and network address if you have
    one and send it along!

    Don't worry about the format, I can take anything you send me
    and mutilate it further as you can see above.  Linux is nice
    that way \.  Spell checking your own work will help though
    (something I'm typically guilty of \).

     To send a question to Dr. Debug, email a question to
     dr.debug @ filegate.net or post in the fidogazette echo! :)

     To send a listing to the fidogazette internet bbs list, send your
     bbs listing to bbslist @ filegate.net or post it in the fidogazette
     echo!  :)

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